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today, 11 republicans called on the president to chop $550 billion from the defense budget. >> if the country goes over that fiscal cliff, california has an awful lot to loose. more than other states, in fact. >> washington is sounding like sacramento these days waiting until the last minute to reach a deal, a trigger cuts if one isn't reached. as washington waits to come up with a deficit reduction, it's becoming clear california has a lot at stake if the fiscal cliff isn't averted. the state could lose $4.5 billion in federal funds. the legislative analyst office estimates the budget may shrink by $11 billion over two years. >> people think the economy would be drawn into recession. just like any recession that would affect state economy, revenues and result in billions of less tax revenue for the state.@sh >> southern california could be hit hard. a loss of 135,000 jobs last year. another recession is the last thing they want. they're urnling leaders to come to an agreement. >> if it continues to slow as much as it is now, it's fine, if at all. >> because voter as prove td prop 30,
today, 11 republicans called on the president to chop $550 billion from the defense budget. >> if the country goes over that fiscal cliff, california has an awful lot to loose. more than other states, in fact. >> washington is sounding like sacramento these days waiting until the last minute to reach a deal, a trigger cuts if one isn't reached. as washington waits to come up with a deficit reduction, it's becoming clear california has a lot at stake if the fiscal cliff isn't...
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. >> the defense department released the name of the navy sale killed in a rescue mission in afghanistan over the weekend. petty officer first class nicholas check was killed during the successful rescue of joseph. joseph was kidnapped while working in the country as a doctor for a relief organization. intelligence showed that joseph was in serious danger so sale team six, the same team that stormed osama binladen's compound went in for the rescue. check lost his life in the fire fight which ensued after the mission. the suspect in the colorado movie theater massacre was scheduled for a court appearance today in aurora. the big issue a notebook from james holmes containing details with the violent plans was mailed to the psychiatrist he was seeing. holmes is accused of killing 12 people and wounding dozens of others when he opened fire during the bat man movie premier. he's charged with multiple first degree murder and attempted murder counts. >> we've been enjoying nice weather over the past couple days. but rains back in the forecast. temperatures in the 30s. i'll have all the details
. >> the defense department released the name of the navy sale killed in a rescue mission in afghanistan over the weekend. petty officer first class nicholas check was killed during the successful rescue of joseph. joseph was kidnapped while working in the country as a doctor for a relief organization. intelligence showed that joseph was in serious danger so sale team six, the same team that stormed osama binladen's compound went in for the rescue. check lost his life in the fire fight...
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favorite books of all time, and you remember you know how i devour books and i am the only criminal defense attorney in possession of such a treasure. do you remember when we spent that long evening together at an airport and either coming in or leaving new york city and i had the book and had martinis and we read the book together and you loved one line "female criminals can be unwidely uncunning" and we had that conversation about why airportings never have clocks and after that i saw you two times and more sorrow and the first is when you family were in the gold country and i met you there before we went back to our house. although it was summer rain pored all day long. the pewter sky was inseparable from the horizon and you my brother and by that time were also becoming inseparable from the horizons of your illness and the line between you it and were blurring. it was during that first visit i understood that you would die and not eventually but sooner than that you. you were in a wheel care and -- chair and we waited while abbey and the boys got the care. it's the first time we were al
favorite books of all time, and you remember you know how i devour books and i am the only criminal defense attorney in possession of such a treasure. do you remember when we spent that long evening together at an airport and either coming in or leaving new york city and i had the book and had martinis and we read the book together and you loved one line "female criminals can be unwidely uncunning" and we had that conversation about why airportings never have clocks and after that i...
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the defense has been tried in court. is a civil rights statute. -- it is a civil rights statute. they can be a perfectly legitimate plaintiffs to bring a lawsuit, and there are a number of people who belong to disability organizations that actually, that is what their livelihood is, bringing these lawsuits. the gentleman over here, who was also a lawyer knows of at least one case involving two lawsuits. they started all neighborhoods. the target places like san francisco because this is an old city with old buildings, virtually none of which comply. we only have new construction that would be billed to 1988 compliance standards, usually. whatever kind of business you have, the building part does not enforce ada compliance. you have your architect look at the ada if you are going to make a major revision anyway. is very expensive to do that. the demand letter is a requirment for the state -- is a requirement for the state laws to be brought. for civil rights cases, you are expected to know the law and be in compliance. they do not make a demand under federal law saying they should
the defense has been tried in court. is a civil rights statute. -- it is a civil rights statute. they can be a perfectly legitimate plaintiffs to bring a lawsuit, and there are a number of people who belong to disability organizations that actually, that is what their livelihood is, bringing these lawsuits. the gentleman over here, who was also a lawyer knows of at least one case involving two lawsuits. they started all neighborhoods. the target places like san francisco because this is an old...
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. >> can i ask a follow-up, because i defense attorney didn't realize those were with the exemptions. was that just the old policy? >> that was the old policy that adronicka and whole foods and cala before it and even the safeway got an exemption and others nearby and had that nearby convenience judgment made and it's a judgment call by the staff person in sacramento. i think that there is an opportunity for us to inform the staff in sacramento. they are just kind of guessing to a certain degree, because they are not on the ground here, how it should the lines be redrawn? >> would it be possible to make them to the land? >> to the what? >> that the recycle has to be maintained there? >> i'm not sure. i was thinking whether san francisco, for instance, could pass an ordinance that took the existing bottle bill and put stronger rules in it? i thought we could do that, but i was told by someone that we're superseding state law and the stores would argue that you can't do that. so i'm not sure. i can't really answer that? >> i think the best way to go about it is to petition the state to
. >> can i ask a follow-up, because i defense attorney didn't realize those were with the exemptions. was that just the old policy? >> that was the old policy that adronicka and whole foods and cala before it and even the safeway got an exemption and others nearby and had that nearby convenience judgment made and it's a judgment call by the staff person in sacramento. i think that there is an opportunity for us to inform the staff in sacramento. they are just kind of guessing to a...
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and in defense to the other counties, i think that, you know, that's the challenge we always face with legislation, should one size fit all? and i think that the whole purpose of the realignment approach was to allow individual counties to experiment with programs in dealing with individuals who are charged with crimes, either providing treatment a little bit more treatment model, and a locally based model because those individuals are from those specific communities. and i think those communities need to have the flexibility to be able to develop those local solutions. obviously, san francisco is blessed with a probation chief and she told me earlier that
and in defense to the other counties, i think that, you know, that's the challenge we always face with legislation, should one size fit all? and i think that the whole purpose of the realignment approach was to allow individual counties to experiment with programs in dealing with individuals who are charged with crimes, either providing treatment a little bit more treatment model, and a locally based model because those individuals are from those specific communities. and i think those...
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he is upset the judge agreed to rule on the defense motion to end gps monitoring of zimmerman. he is charged with murder in the shooting death of 17-year- old trayvon martin and he pleaded not guilty claiming it was self-defense. zimmerman's attorneys argued today's hearing was necessary because there is a new judge on the case and not all the evidence was presented at the last hearing. >>> more backlash today from the royal hoax. legal experts say the australian radio station behind the prank call could face criminal charges. the question now, whether a private conversation was broadcast without the permission of the participants. last week's prank has been widely condemned after it aired. it's linked to the apparent suicide of the nurse who put the call through allowing the radio station's deejays to get confidential information about kate middleton's health. in australia, airing a private conversation without consent can mean prison time but it's unclear who at the station may be charged. the deejays have been fired and their show canceled. >>> a bigbie for a big airline. de
he is upset the judge agreed to rule on the defense motion to end gps monitoring of zimmerman. he is charged with murder in the shooting death of 17-year- old trayvon martin and he pleaded not guilty claiming it was self-defense. zimmerman's attorneys argued today's hearing was necessary because there is a new judge on the case and not all the evidence was presented at the last hearing. >>> more backlash today from the royal hoax. legal experts say the australian radio station behind...
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it was in defense of bond street and the alleged car was taken away in handcuffs. there is still no word on whether a driver will face charges for hitting a pedestrian in san francisco. jack wing was crossing around 2:30 when he was hit by a truck. the driver stopped and is cooperating with investigators. >>> the man used of killing sierra lemar will return to court tomorrow. the judge approved an amendment to join the other crimes antolin garcia-torres is accused of. he also tried kidnap three other women in 2009. antolin garcia-torres will enter a plea in both cases. 25 years to life. the woman convicted of killing michelle le, that is the sentence for giselle esteban. the judge said giselle esteban has shown no remorse for killing her friend. michelle le's family attended this hearing and had this to say. >> maybe she will never feel remorse and if she did, it will she has something in her that shows she is a human being. >> giselle esteban killed michelle le because she believed she was having a relationship with the father of her child. >>> they talked about w
it was in defense of bond street and the alleged car was taken away in handcuffs. there is still no word on whether a driver will face charges for hitting a pedestrian in san francisco. jack wing was crossing around 2:30 when he was hit by a truck. the driver stopped and is cooperating with investigators. >>> the man used of killing sierra lemar will return to court tomorrow. the judge approved an amendment to join the other crimes antolin garcia-torres is accused of. he also tried...
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defense attorneys will ask a judge to end the 24 hour gps monitoring of george zimmerman in the fatal shooting his lawyer wants him to be move outside the county he lives in. zimmerman was charged with second degree murder after shooting martin in february he has pleaded not guilty, claiming self-defense under florida's stand your ground law. >> american civil liberties union will ask organization of american states to investigate u.s. government for the way it treated convicted terrorist jose dill the aclu says he was -- jose little . the aclu says he was subjected to intimidation that amounted to torture. the watchdog group says the u.s. unfairly labeled padilla an enemy combatant. >>> new fbi report shows incidents of hate crime are going down, anti-gay violence is up. fbi says more than 6,000 hate crimes were reported to u.s. law enforcement last year, down 6% from the previous year. sexual orientation hate crimes went up to more than 1500 in 2011, increase of more than 2 1/2%. >>> in morning federal reserve has its eye on the fiscal live. new bonding program to support the econom
defense attorneys will ask a judge to end the 24 hour gps monitoring of george zimmerman in the fatal shooting his lawyer wants him to be move outside the county he lives in. zimmerman was charged with second degree murder after shooting martin in february he has pleaded not guilty, claiming self-defense under florida's stand your ground law. >> american civil liberties union will ask organization of american states to investigate u.s. government for the way it treated convicted terrorist...
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for now charlotte will keep driving defensively. >> slow down. take it easy. it's not like we are rideing in covered wagon. we are going to get where we go a lot easier if we all give. >> what's the rush campaign will mean higher fine for drivers who don't yield to pedestrians and more tickets for jay walkers who cross where they should not. identity of today pedestrians victim has not yet been rae leased. live in san francisco tonight, 7 news thank you. >> woman convicted of killing nursing student michelle lay could spend the rest of her life in prison. esteban was sentenced to 25 years to life today. he said he has never seen a case with stronger evidence of premeditation. michelle lay was last seen alive at kaiser permanente in hayward in may of 2011. a nursing student remember. searchers found her body 4 months late ferry in a remote area near pleasanton. pros can can youtors said esteban killed michelle lay because she dated her ex boyfriend. lay family has written let investigators future parole board asking them to keep esteban in prison for life. >> f
for now charlotte will keep driving defensively. >> slow down. take it easy. it's not like we are rideing in covered wagon. we are going to get where we go a lot easier if we all give. >> what's the rush campaign will mean higher fine for drivers who don't yield to pedestrians and more tickets for jay walkers who cross where they should not. identity of today pedestrians victim has not yet been rae leased. live in san francisco tonight, 7 news thank you. >> woman convicted of...
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for now charlotte will keep driving defensively. >> slow down. take it easy. it's not like we are rideing in covered wagon. we are going to get where we go a lot easier if we all give. >> what's the rush campaign will mean higher fine for drivers who don't yield to pedestrians and more tickets for jay walkers who cross where they should not. identity of today pedestrians victim has not yet been rae leased. live in san francisco tonight, 7 news thank you. >> woman convicted of killing nursing student michelle lay could spend the rest of her life in prison. esteban was sentenced to 25 years to life today. he said he has never seen a case with stronger evidence of premeditation. michelle lay was last seen alive at kaiser permanente in hayward in may of 2011. a nursing student remember. searchers found her body 4 months late ferry in a remote area near pleasanton. pros can can youtors said esteban killed michelle lay because she dated her ex boyfriend. lay family has written let investigators future parole board asking them to keep esteban in prison for life. >> f
for now charlotte will keep driving defensively. >> slow down. take it easy. it's not like we are rideing in covered wagon. we are going to get where we go a lot easier if we all give. >> what's the rush campaign will mean higher fine for drivers who don't yield to pedestrians and more tickets for jay walkers who cross where they should not. identity of today pedestrians victim has not yet been rae leased. live in san francisco tonight, 7 news thank you. >> woman convicted of...
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zimmerman, who claims he shot the teen in self-defense, is set to go on trail in june. >> authorities in michigan are bracing for an onslaught of demonstrators today, as the state leaders vote on "right-to-work" legislation. if it is passed, michigan would become the 24th "right-to-work" state, banning requirements that non-union employees pay unions for negotiating contracts and other service. michigan governor rick snyder has pledged to sign the measure into law. >> in world news. south africa's former president, nelson mandela is suffering from a recurring lung infection and is responding to medical treatments. that's according to the nation's presidency. the 94- year-old has been hospitalized since saturday for medical tests at a hospital near the nation's capital. government officials originally declined to say what caused the hospital stay. no word yet on when he is expected to be released. >> meanwhile, a stomach virus has forced u-s secretary of state hilliary clinton to cancel a trip to the middle east clinton was supposed to fly to morocco for a wednesday meeting with the "f
zimmerman, who claims he shot the teen in self-defense, is set to go on trail in june. >> authorities in michigan are bracing for an onslaught of demonstrators today, as the state leaders vote on "right-to-work" legislation. if it is passed, michigan would become the 24th "right-to-work" state, banning requirements that non-union employees pay unions for negotiating contracts and other service. michigan governor rick snyder has pledged to sign the measure into law....
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for now charlotte will keep driving defensively. >> slow down. take it easy. it's not like we are rideing in covered wagon. we are going to get where we go a lot easier if we all give. >> what's the rush campaign will mean higher fine for drivers who don't yield to pedestrians and more tickets for jay walkers who cross where they should not. identity of today pedestri not yeim has not yet been rae leased. live in san francisco tonight, 7 news thank you. >> woman convicted of killing nursing student michelle lay could spend the rest of her life in prison. esteban was sentenced to 25 years to life today. he said he has never seen a case with stronger evidence of premeditation. michelle lay was last seen alive at kaiser permanente in hayward in may of 2011. a nursing student remember. searchers found her body 4 months late ferry in a remote area near pleasanton. pros can can youtors said esteban killed michelle lay because she dated her ex boyfriend. lay family has written let investigators future parole board asking them to keep esteban in prison for life. >> fa
for now charlotte will keep driving defensively. >> slow down. take it easy. it's not like we are rideing in covered wagon. we are going to get where we go a lot easier if we all give. >> what's the rush campaign will mean higher fine for drivers who don't yield to pedestrians and more tickets for jay walkers who cross where they should not. identity of today pedestri not yeim has not yet been rae leased. live in san francisco tonight, 7 news thank you. >> woman convicted of...
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but the mission remain unpredictal and dangerous as defense secretary panetta said today, special operators knew they were putting their lives on the line. former hostage joseph likely return to the u.s. by this weekend. his family issued a statement tonight extending their deepest condolences and gratitude to all those involved in the mission. martha, abc news, washington. >> another item about the military. after waving fitness standard to feed the war machine the army is now looking for thinner men and women. leading cause of civil i don't know not making the cut, obesity. army kicked out 1600 plus 25 active duty personnel for being out of shape during the first 10 month of this yea year. 15 times more than in 2007 when days employment cycle were at the peak. between 1998 and 2010 soldiers deemed over weight more than triple and 5 percent of the force was obese. >> 22 days now to find a budget deal and avoid the fiscallif cliff. tonight no word any real progress being made but the pressure to do something before it is too latest really intensifying across the country. story now from poli
but the mission remain unpredictal and dangerous as defense secretary panetta said today, special operators knew they were putting their lives on the line. former hostage joseph likely return to the u.s. by this weekend. his family issued a statement tonight extending their deepest condolences and gratitude to all those involved in the mission. martha, abc news, washington. >> another item about the military. after waving fitness standard to feed the war machine the army is now looking...
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zimmerman claims he shot the teen and self-defense as that to go on trial in june. today he will find out whether not he has to continue to wear the ankle bracelet. also a live look from the steps of the legislature and michigan right now. the national labor unions are rally in still worked to the right to work boat. it is aimed at organized labor. if it is passed and signed into law which looks like it's when that happened michigan will become the 24th right to work state bed requirements than non-union employees play unions for negotiate contracts and other services. california is not one of those ride to work states right now. this is also happening with wisconsin. we will keep watching the process. >> we have erica looking at the forecast for today >> we have several locations in the upper 30's today. temperatures could continue to decline as we heading closer to sunrise. let us live locally dense fog with visibility at 04 and about all. drive with extra caution. we have made improvements for napa to 7 mi. now. 9 mi. in santa rosa. just half a mile visibility in
zimmerman claims he shot the teen and self-defense as that to go on trial in june. today he will find out whether not he has to continue to wear the ankle bracelet. also a live look from the steps of the legislature and michigan right now. the national labor unions are rally in still worked to the right to work boat. it is aimed at organized labor. if it is passed and signed into law which looks like it's when that happened michigan will become the 24th right to work state bed requirements than...
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this season, a good offense is the best defense. lysol. mission for health. i wish i had u-verse when i was your age. in my day, we didn't have these fancy wireless receivers. blah blah blah. if i had a sleepover, i couldn't just move the tv into the playroom. no. we had to watch movies in the den because that's where the tv outlet was. and if dad was snoring on the couch, we muscled through it. is she for real? your generation has it made. [ male announcer ] the wireless receiver only from at&t u-verse. get u-verse tv for $29 a month for six months. rethink possible. . >>> legal experts say the radio station could face charges for broadcasting without the permission without participants. the nurse they called took her own life and they say they tried to discuss the prank before it aired. >>> president mohamed morsi is ahead of a vote and has been given the right to arrest civilians. they will be voting on a charter approved by a panel filled mostly with mohamed morsi's allies. both opponents and supporters of the government were there and mass gunman were at
this season, a good offense is the best defense. lysol. mission for health. i wish i had u-verse when i was your age. in my day, we didn't have these fancy wireless receivers. blah blah blah. if i had a sleepover, i couldn't just move the tv into the playroom. no. we had to watch movies in the den because that's where the tv outlet was. and if dad was snoring on the couch, we muscled through it. is she for real? your generation has it made. [ male announcer ] the wireless receiver only from...
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zimmerman, who claimed he shot the teen in self- defense, is set to go to trial in june. >> national labor unions hold their right to work rally ahead of the house and senate vote on becoming the controversy right to work bill and at organized labor. >> if is passed and signed into law, michigan would become the 24 right to work state, banning requirements that nonunion employes paid union for negotiating contracts and other services. >> california is not one of those 24 states. we saw wisconsin passed similar legislation with huge protests. there are huge protests going on in michigan will bring you live pictures when we come back. >> it is 7:15 a.m. now we want to go live to erica to get a look at the weather this tuesday morning. >> good morning darya. >> there's a more dense fog to day. we are taking it live outside to my favorite shot of the morning this is our mount tam cam it could see it showing the cloud cover in fog. >> is cold 37 for fairfield vallejo 38. and concord out conditions for san francisco and the coast. upper '40's in daly city 45 in oakland. off as we take a lo
zimmerman, who claimed he shot the teen in self- defense, is set to go to trial in june. >> national labor unions hold their right to work rally ahead of the house and senate vote on becoming the controversy right to work bill and at organized labor. >> if is passed and signed into law, michigan would become the 24 right to work state, banning requirements that nonunion employes paid union for negotiating contracts and other services. >> california is not one of those 24...
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today's decision will affect whether two current saints, linebackers and the defensive end will smith will get to play out for the season. tight end vernon davis is more than just an artist and he is using his talent to help youths. they opened with a private reception and we got a sneak peak and saw some of his acrylic work. they have never known a football player with an art gallery before. >> this is definitely a first. we are just here to support him. of course it was a no-brainer, i had to be here. >> it focuses on art education for at risk utah and also pro -- at risk youth and also provides scholarships for inner city kids. >>> it will reduce parking spots and add some greenery to the two block section of hide street to jones street. construction begins on january 2nd and should be finished in time for the america's cup in july. >>> we want to go over to sal because there is a road closed to san francisco. >> that's right, daily city is closed because of this rescue here and it looks like police are on the scene. news chopper 2 shows pictures of a car going over the side and we
today's decision will affect whether two current saints, linebackers and the defensive end will smith will get to play out for the season. tight end vernon davis is more than just an artist and he is using his talent to help youths. they opened with a private reception and we got a sneak peak and saw some of his acrylic work. they have never known a football player with an art gallery before. >> this is definitely a first. we are just here to support him. of course it was a no-brainer, i...
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troubling for the defense, the dramatic blisters on jeffrey pyne's hands. disturbing photos that jurors have seen over and over again. pyne maintains he got the blisters throwing a wooden pallet at his job. freeman spoke of jeffrey's fear for his 12-year-old sister being alone in the house with his mother. a fear she shared with jeffrey. >> i did not think it was a good idea for julia to ever be alone with ruth in the house. >> reporter: defense attorneys maintain jeffrey was not involved in any way with his mother's murder. claiming a stranger or strangers likely attacked ruth pyne on that may day in 2011. for "good morning america," john muller, abc news, new york. >> okay. >>> let's get more from our legal team, nancy grace, dan abrams, our legal analyst. dan, let me begin with you. the ex-girlfriend, a prosecution witness. and establishes grounds for a motive. and can create sympathy for the defense. >> she is doing what the prosecution wanted, which is to lay the groundwork for their motive, which is this is a mother who is out of control, who is slowl
troubling for the defense, the dramatic blisters on jeffrey pyne's hands. disturbing photos that jurors have seen over and over again. pyne maintains he got the blisters throwing a wooden pallet at his job. freeman spoke of jeffrey's fear for his 12-year-old sister being alone in the house with his mother. a fear she shared with jeffrey. >> i did not think it was a good idea for julia to ever be alone with ruth in the house. >> reporter: defense attorneys maintain jeffrey was not...
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and yet if one were to defend against the notion of a train to nowhere, i'm not sure there is a good defense. for example, the gao says in its report that they had warned in july -- in june that states would be -- the states would be the primary recipients of the recovery act funds for high-speed rail but, says the gao, many states did not have rail plans that would, among other thing, establish strategies and priorities of rail investments in a particular state. well, my concern is whether the united states of america really has priorities of where to begin and where, where we would end. what we have seen in the past couple years ever since its initial important investment is no funding from the federal government. so we really in some kind of dream of our own to keep the notion going that somehow these states from west to east are continue to -- will continue to move forward because even under the best of circumstances as we approach the cliff which i still believe we will not go over, but in not going over it, there will be very significant reductions in every kind of program made. that's
and yet if one were to defend against the notion of a train to nowhere, i'm not sure there is a good defense. for example, the gao says in its report that they had warned in july -- in june that states would be -- the states would be the primary recipients of the recovery act funds for high-speed rail but, says the gao, many states did not have rail plans that would, among other thing, establish strategies and priorities of rail investments in a particular state. well, my concern is whether the...
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we have to control defense spending. we have to control other no non- -- other discretionary non-defense spending. i think if you have the whole package, i would hold my nose despite the fact raising those two tax brackets is bad economics, bad for jobs, will hurt the economy, i would hold my nose to get the other done. what i wouldn't do is vote for that and do nothing else. >> agree completely. what i've been saying here. steve rattner. >> i agree completely. to get a big deal we all have to hold our nose a little bit and accept things we don't want. the only thing i would slightly push back on what governor barbour said, i think the president has been more forthcoming than you suggested. he's put entitlements on the table and put a trillion-eight on the table in cuts. i think he's serious to do serious business on entitlement and wants the republicans to do serious business on rates. a number of republicans have been using the sound bite on the deficit in the first two months of the year going up 16%. that may be true
we have to control defense spending. we have to control other no non- -- other discretionary non-defense spending. i think if you have the whole package, i would hold my nose despite the fact raising those two tax brackets is bad economics, bad for jobs, will hurt the economy, i would hold my nose to get the other done. what i wouldn't do is vote for that and do nothing else. >> agree completely. what i've been saying here. steve rattner. >> i agree completely. to get a big deal we...